tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6389577238129687889.post3327803232026404597..comments2024-01-27T22:25:47.337+02:00Comments on Israel Chronicles: Maturitynmf #7http://www.blogger.com/profile/02930286227301917330noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6389577238129687889.post-22230536897923440402009-01-13T19:32:00.000+02:002009-01-13T19:32:00.000+02:00Well to be honest, the first letter in "עזה"(Azah)...Well to be honest, the first letter in "עזה"(Azah) is gutteral in Hebrew, but the first letter in "غزة" (ghaza) is not. Again, that's because, for the most part, the same letters are gutteral and not gutteral in Hebrew, Aramaic Arabic and any other Semitic language. In all of them sounds for the letters like "ח" and "ע" should origionate from the throat, but not for things like a "soft ג"(gh) or a "soft ת"(th), whose sounds origionate in the palette and tongue.<BR/><BR/>I've always been gung-ho about retaining the semitic sounds of the Hebrew language, even today, not only because of the absurdity of pronouncing a semitic language as a European one, but because I see it as one aspect of a greater problem of the "Europeanization" of the Jews and Israel, which to an extent, in my opinion, might greaten the cultural divide between Israel and it's neighbors, and therefore hamper our relations with them..הצעיר שלמה בן רפאל לבית שריקי ס"טhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04835340110056405173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6389577238129687889.post-91562958986919825122009-01-13T12:43:00.000+02:002009-01-13T12:43:00.000+02:00Hatzair- Thanks for the comment! So which is it, t...Hatzair- Thanks for the comment! So which is it, the gutteral sound in both Hebrew and Arabic, or only in Arabic? I definitely hear it in the Arabic language, but in Hebrew, I mostly hear only Aza. <BR/>Never knew about the Sephardishe Gimmel w/o a dagesh. Thanks!nmf #7https://www.blogger.com/profile/02930286227301917330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6389577238129687889.post-77709087675833593762009-01-13T09:25:00.000+02:002009-01-13T09:25:00.000+02:00badforshidduchim: Trust me, the Ashkenazi pronounc...badforshidduchim: Trust me, the Ashkenazi pronounciation is not the most coveted in the general world either (as "Jewish culure" is generally judged besed on them).הצעיר שלמה בן רפאל לבית שריקי ס"טhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04835340110056405173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6389577238129687889.post-45906701961585019022009-01-13T09:22:00.000+02:002009-01-13T09:22:00.000+02:00By the way, about the Gaza-Aza linguistic issue, I...By the way, about the Gaza-Aza linguistic issue, I once thought as Jameel did, but then found out that only in Hebrew is it "a'zah", in Arabic there's a soft "gh" as the first letter in "ghaza" (which sounds a little like a "kh" and "r" sound, but becomes "g" as far as Brittish translaters were concerned). <BR/><BR/>Also: According to many Sefaradim that's the sound of a "gimmel without a dot").<BR/><BR/>If you want you can check out this guy talking about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNIb1gp-7LI&feature=channel_page<BR/>(from 4:50 to the end).הצעיר שלמה בן רפאל לבית שריקי ס"טhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04835340110056405173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6389577238129687889.post-85089816672695108952009-01-10T21:50:00.000+02:002009-01-10T21:50:00.000+02:00AK- Thanks for the comment.Yep, permanently, bezra...AK- Thanks for the comment.<BR/>Yep, permanently, bezrat Hashem. But everything is in G-d's hands- as so aptly stated by you and I- so therefore, I can't say for sure. More on that in another post for another time. <BR/>Davening always helps. I find that just the simple act of trusting in Hashem by davening and asking for His help- automatically helps.nmf #7https://www.blogger.com/profile/02930286227301917330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6389577238129687889.post-87135466259436431042009-01-10T19:45:00.000+02:002009-01-10T19:45:00.000+02:00permanently? Wow. We can only daven. Its hard, to ...permanently? Wow. <BR/><BR/>We can only daven. Its hard, to let go and watch Hashem and the soldiers who are in the hands of Hashem take care of everything, but thats what it has to be.AidelKnaidelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01914817940098383303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6389577238129687889.post-84993410651888275142009-01-07T21:35:00.000+02:002009-01-07T21:35:00.000+02:00Who knows- we may all be speaking like the Taimani...<I>Who knows- we may all be speaking like the Taimanim one day.</I><BR/><BR/>I think the Galitziyaners from Hungary would disagree with you!<BR/><BR/>:-)Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6389577238129687889.post-78000531081314614952009-01-07T18:36:00.000+02:002009-01-07T18:36:00.000+02:00Some say the pronounciation is actually more accur...Some say the pronounciation is actually more accurate. <BR/>Who knows- we may all be speaking like the Taimanim one day.nmf #7https://www.blogger.com/profile/02930286227301917330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6389577238129687889.post-84422778061315466672009-01-07T18:30:00.000+02:002009-01-07T18:30:00.000+02:00I was gonna say that... Kinda like how their chet ...I was gonna say that... <BR/>Kinda like how their chet is more gutteral too. That distinctive back-of-the-throat Arabic pattern that gives you a sudden urge to run <I>very</I> quickly somewhere else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6389577238129687889.post-66357840149016299672009-01-07T18:28:00.000+02:002009-01-07T18:28:00.000+02:00Thanks! Always wondered that.Thanks! Always wondered that.nmf #7https://www.blogger.com/profile/02930286227301917330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6389577238129687889.post-40489731129270229632009-01-07T16:19:00.000+02:002009-01-07T16:19:00.000+02:00The Gaza (by the way, does anyone know why it is r...<I>The Gaza (by the way, does anyone know why it is referred to in English as Gaza if it is spelled "Aza"? )</I><BR/><BR/>The "Ayin" from "Aza" in Arabic is guttural and has a twinge of a "G" to it...<BR/><BR/>The Taymanim (Yeminites) also have an accented "Ayin" but without the "G" sound.Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.com